Give sammie your opinion

2012-03-25 [Cerulean Sins]: My opinion is that your trying really hard to improve and you have improved and been a great help to Elfpack.

2012-03-25 [GlassCasket]: I think your doing good your just trying too hard. I honestly don't/didn't know about your fiance. I feel like your giving the best you can but maybe your trying a little too much :P Not really criticizing but just maybe ease off the gas? I dunno lol

2012-03-26 [djxmonster]: I think you're trying too hard and easily give up when frustrated. This takes time. I also think you are annoying everyone by spamming pages about this wiki.

2012-03-26 [HeAVenShallBuRN]: I'm gonna have to agree with DJ on this one, yes...you are annoying me with spamming this in every single offical page, it needs to stop Sammie, so does your thoughts about peoples opinions. Think of it this way. Does our opinion matter in your real life? THERE there's my question for you

2012-03-26 [sammie h!]: DJ And Dogmattic: I was told to do so my Ama, and I wrote these things down as these are some of the reasons I have been given, if I tried to hard Elfpack would be a different color, have new buttons and more members by now lol. x

2012-03-26 [sammie h!]: And no is the answer to your question

2012-03-26 [djxmonster]: I don't care who told you that you can post on official pages, just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should. Spamming pages is going to make people want to stay away from this wiki.

Sammie, I believe your heart is in the right place but you want a quick fix. It takes time for people to gain trust... I know from experience.


Off topic, I hope you had permission to copy and paste EP material (Bob's Diner) on your personal webpage.

2012-03-26 [Amalaswinta]: sammie, exactly what are you referring to with "I was told to do so by Ama"?

as to my opinion, even though you know it already, I'll state it here as well:

I greatly admire the way you've turned yourself around from someone who'd snap at tiny things and go on a rant to someone who manages to remain her cool even in difficult/stressful situations.
You're doing a great job at the EP awards and because of that you've been awarded the 2nd level volunteer badge, being the grasshopper badge.

I'm really sorry this isn't enough for you but as I've told you a couple of times now: the majority of the council has to agree on a change of privs. That's why I think this page is a good idea, although listing it on so many official pages wasn't quite such a good idea.

I hope all council members will state their opinion and/or reasons for not wanting you to have higher privs.
My main concern, as I have also told you, has nothing to do with you personally (not anymore) but is simply the fact that your sharing your life with someone who has done much damage in the past. (re)Earning that trust will take a long time, more than just a couple of months, even though it may seem like a really long time to you.

Just keep doing the things you're doing now, you're a great help but please, try to be satisfied with what you have now :)

2012-03-27 [sammie h!]: [djxmonster] I asked the makers permission and he said Yes. :)

2012-03-27 [djxmonster]: You have permission from [Hedda]?
The banners, badges, and images are property of Elfpack.

2012-03-27 [Amalaswinta]: dj: actually, that's not entirely true.
when an artist creates something and donates it to EP, that particular image then belongs to both EP and the artist.
The artist is free to use it however he/she wants, including giving permission to use it outside EP :)

2012-03-27 [djxmonster]: From UAR's: Donations made to Elfpack by a member of Elfpack, will be considered to be given to Elfpack. While we will of course give you credit for your donation, once you've made a donation (wiki-pages, graphics, text, money, etc) you cannot undonate your donation. It becomes property of the site, and site staff.

2012-03-27 [Amalaswinta]: indeed, the copy of the image donated is property of EP.
however, nowhere does it say it the original is no longer property of the artist.
I for one wouldn't have donated everything I have if it meant I couldn't sell my artwork anymore because I donated it to a website ;)

2012-03-28 [djxmonster]: That's kind of a grey area but I'll leave it alone :p

Regardless, if she's using EP images outside of EP, she needs permission from EACH artist that created a graphic she is using on that page NOT just permission from the EP page creator.

2012-03-28 [sammie h!]: But they was put on a members wiki, so therefor donated there work to the owner.

2012-03-28 [Amalaswinta]: @sammie: you have to have permission from the artist to use outside EP.
For example: the pieces I've donated are free for use on EP but if you'd want to use one of them on one of your own sites, you'd have to ask my permission first


anyways, enough about that, back to the topic at hand :)

2012-03-28 [sammie h!]: Yeah, when I get onto the page, I will delete Bob's diner but I'm havng problems at the moment, on there end, I just did it to promote Elfpack and Elftown, but I will take all the art down to do with Elfpack apart from my own work.

2012-03-30 [Stephen]: Overall, Sammie:


I think you're doing excellent. You've went far beyond what I expected you to, and honestly I had a lot of reservations about accepting your application. However, you've proven to be very hardworking and willing to carry out tasks.

It's still a long road ahead for you before you have the trust of all the staff, but I think overall you've been making amazing improvements and I honestly hope you continue to do so.

2012-03-30 [Amalaswinta]: +1

2012-03-30 [djxmonster]: Agreed

2012-03-30 [GlassCasket]: [Stephen] always says it best :P

2012-03-30 [sammie h!]: He sure does, and thanks for all your support :)

2012-03-31 [Amalaswinta]: [The Goddamn Batman]: not only do you go against sammie's explicit request not to comment if you're not crew, you're making a number of statements that are quite incorrect.
at least a number of council members are being very honest to sammie. We tell her we find her annoying, yes. We also find each other annoying from time to time.
We don't trust her... well, not quite, we don't trust her fiance, quite a different story.
As for not acting like 'us', I think sammie acts like a pro, which is more than we can ask of any volunteer. That is why she personally inspired the Grasshopper badge.
Your opinion about sammie doesn't really interest me, I know I value her work and respect the way she has turned around from annoying brat to sometimes annoying but valued volunteer.

2012-03-31 [sammie h!]: Thanks for your Comment [Amalaswinta]

I know I can be annoying at times, so from now on I want all Crew members to just say stop when I am being annoying so I know.

I know you don't trust my fiance, but isn't there a way of learning to trust him?

He has said to me that you can ban him if you like as he doesn't really log in anyway.

The reason our ip is the same is that we use the computers at the library, or I go to a friends like now, the library computers are all connected to one network throughout North Yorkshire, so that's why.

2012-04-01 [HeAVenShallBuRN]: [The Goddamn Batman] Do us all a favor and just stop being mean to Sammie, THAT'S MY JOB! *Grr grrr grr!* SAMMIE HE'S TAKING MY JOB FROM ME!

2012-04-01 [sammie h!]: OYY NO TAKING JIMMYS JOB OTHERWISE I WILL PERSONALLY BEAT YOU WITH A STICK. lol

2012-04-01 [HeAVenShallBuRN]: STFU SAMMIE! you couldn't beat a ballon with a stick! <3

2012-04-01 [sammie h!]: No, but I could beat you lol

2012-04-01 [HeAVenShallBuRN]: Psh

2012-04-01 [sammie h!]: I win lol

2012-04-01 [Stephen]: *has no idea what Brother Eye said*

So, I'll wing a response.


Sammie, when I find you annoying I tend to tell you, as you may notice. I'm generally pretty good at pointing out when your messaging me becomes a little.. overboard, or when I don't like every page with an official title getting the same comment. ;)

However, I believe as Crew Members, that we should act to a certain level of professional behavior, regardless of what's completely on the said Crew Member's mind. For example, it's completely OK for us to tell you to stop spamming something because it annoys us, but not OK to go off on an angry tangent at you. That's childish and most definitely not the attitude a staff member should show.

I've said before that the entire Council doesn't trust you, and I hope you understand why that is. You and I have had large conflicts in the past and there's times I wonder if you're going to end up turning into that angry girl who threatens to delete her work if she doesn't get her way -- but I worry about that less often. You are making progress, no matter what it may seem like. I actually brought up with the Council the idea of you getting a staff-level Priv, and although as a whole it's not agreed on you should have it, a number of months ago there's no way I would have even mentioned it. When I accepted you, I had said I would not priv you, and you've at least partially changed my mind on that.


As to your fiancee: In order for us to even begin the process of even thinking about trusting him, he'd need to prove to us that we should, which isn't something that you can do. He was allowed back on and not instantly banned on your word he'll keep in line, but anything past that he personally needs to be able to prove himself to us, and that would be a very difficult process, 'specially when it comes to the senior Guards who were present when he was making trouble.

2012-04-01 [Stephen]: PS: I don't care too much if you and Matt share an IP. You can use the same computer/network hub IP, and not be sharing accounts.


The reason we've been so slow to priv you, is there's no "undo" button on privs. If you decide to be malicious and use priv-89 to wreck Mainstuff, we can't fix it very easily at all. (On Elf12 we once had a Guard get pissed off and write a news entry with a lot of swearing and calling out crew members he didn't like. We changed it ASAP, but it was there and parents did see it. I've seen the damage it can do.)

With priv-79, you could just empty out the badge slots of anyone you felt like, and then we'd need to try to figure out how to fix that.


Priv-49, you could edit/view/change ANY page anywhere, and there's really no way we can monitor everything a priv 49 does. That's part of why I have so few of them, compared to the previous amounts.



I'm not saying you WILL do things like that, it's just that we need to have complete trust in you to not do things like that. That just takes time, but you're doing well.

2012-04-01 [Cerulean Sins]: +1 :-)

2012-04-01 [sammie h!]: [Stephen] I understand you perfectly, I know I have done well on here and I know your trust issues, that [becca21] did the absolute wrong thing on here and I wouldn't dare do what she did.

I swear on Kians life I wouldn't do anything at all wrong, I take my anger out on Facebook when I get angry lol, I just pick someone who I know longer talk to and give them Shit lol.

2012-04-01 [HeAVenShallBuRN]: << No comment ANyway, Sammie, you want my opinion? Geta hair cut >> there

2012-04-01 [sammie h!]: Same to you lol

2012-04-01 [HeAVenShallBuRN]: I did recently, like last week

2012-04-01 [sammie h!]: [Stephen] How about seeing how I do with priv 89 First? :)

2012-04-02 [Stephen]: I didn't even mention Becca21. o_o'
She was just a normal member who blanked official pages, which is why official pages now are forum protected. :P


Also, it's not just my decision to give you a priv. It's a group decision. While I do normally assign standard-level crew privs without asking everyone's thoughts on it, since there's trust issues I talk to the Council as a whole before giving out privs, in this case.

2012-04-02 [djxmonster]: Sammie, you begged for privs on Cathug. I gave them to you. You said you would fix this and that and get more members (same thing as here). I haven't really seen you do anything with them...

2012-04-02 [sammie h!]: Well maybe if you give me something to do, I would do it straight away, I have done the news on there, I have advertised the website. I submit the website for free web advertisements worldwide. You may not see what I do, but I do do it

2012-04-02 [djxmonster]: ...but you said you had all these great ideas to get members... That's a main reason why I made you council.

2012-04-02 [sammie h!]: And the ideas isn't work, one of them might what I have just asked Michelle to do for me. :)

2012-04-03 [Stephen]: I think his point is: 

If it's not working, it's not working. Part of the Council duties are to carry out ideas and make them work, or change them to make them work.


As to Cathug/Elf12, that's why I never go on either of them despite being acting Grand Mog of Elf12 and.. assistant Mayor? (Hell if I know) of Cathug. :P

2012-04-03 [Stephen]: Good idea!